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Jeffrey
L. Seglin
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Sound
Off
In the Sound
Off section of The Right Thing column, Jeffrey Seglin solicits reader
response to everyday ethical dilemmas: Is it OK to use sex appeal
to get ahead in the business world? Is it ever all right to encourage
a child to use force to stand up to a bully?
Readers send
opinions via e-mail _ some of which are featured in future Right
Thing columns. The rest are posted HERE ON The Right Thing Web site.
This popular interactive feature helps take the pulse of the nation
by allowing readers from coast to coast to weigh in with ideas about
The Right Thing to do in various situations.
Do
you have an ethical problem you need help with? Send your questions
to Jeffrey L. Seglin at rightthing@nytimes.com,
and look for the answers in upcoming columns.
See readers' opinions to these recent questions:
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Do CEOs get paid too much?
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Do fast-food chains have some responsibility for customers' weight
problems?
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Is it wrong for a private social club to limit its membership to
women based on their attractiveness?
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Should a real-estate broker tell the potential buyer about a murder
that occured in a house, regardless of whether he or she was asked?
- Does an elected official have an ethical
responsibility to keep tabs on where political contributions are
coming from?
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Is it right to enact punishment before trial?
-- Is it ever all right to encourage a child to use force to stand
up to a bully?
-- Is it OK to hide behind anonymity when
voicing a complaint or criticism?
-- Is it OK to use sex appeal to get ahead
in the business world?
SOUND
OFF: WHEN IS ENOUGH PAY ENOUGH?
Since ATA Airlines went public in 1993, its chief executive officer,
J. George Mikelsons, has consistently been paid about $690,000.
He earned the same last year, with no bonus or stock options - unlike
other public- company CEOS who have seen their compensation packages
skyrocket.
"You can pay a CEO $200 million and if he's any good, he's
not working any harder for $200 million than he is for $2 million,"
Mikelsons told The Indianapolis Star. "For a CEO to take a
stand that he may leave if he's not paid enough, (he's) not morally
sound in my book."
What do you think? Is it immoral for a CEO to demand a huge salary
- even when his or her company doesn't perform well?
Send
your thoughts to rightthing@nytimes.com
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HERE'S
WHAT READERS ARE SAYING:
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My answer:
It is greedy, immoral, selfish, arrogant, and very unfair
to the employees
who are
most likely being paid much less than they are worth to the
company!
Bernie Dalby
Madison, WI
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I agree! CEO's are paid excessively and it's nothing but pure
greed.
I have never had a problem with risk/reward. And when the
owner of a
privately held company makes a bundle; good for them. That
person has
their fortune, their energy, talent and family life fully
invested in
that company; and indeed is usually are the founder. When
they make a
mistake or other fortunes go against them; no one is there
to bail them
out and they can lose it all.
The hired CEO on the other hand has virtually nothing at all
invested in
the company. Nothing. They didn't build it, they didn't grow
it! All
they need to do in some cases is keep the gas pedal down.
Don't mess it
up! And that's not worth millions of dollars a year. If things
go
poorly, they leave and take their severance with them. They
are
entitled to fair compensation, the authority required and
perks. After
all, we hired them to succeed. This is perhaps a little bit
simplistic;
but not that far off the mark.
If they do indeed grow the company significantly; then perhaps
a bonus.
After all, the stock holders hired them to do just that. If
they want
to quit; good-bye. Big big money is warranted for extraordinary,
unique
performances and is paid after the fact in the form of a bonus.
It's
often a one time event.
I would also like to see more true ownership on the part of
CEO's and
board members. This 100 share buy in is a joke. I want them
to share
the pain with me and I'm certainly not going to give them
a raise or
bonus for a sub-standard year. They can blame other factors
or
departments all they want; but they were in charge! Deal with
it. The
owner of the privately held company just might have had to
go without
some paychecks!
Gari Berliot
Madison, WI
Wisconsin State Journaly
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The proper
price for anything whether it is personal service (wages),
widgets (the price), money (the interest), is the intersection
of the supply and demand curves given a willing buyer and
willing seller with knowledge of all material facts. Anything
else, if willingly done by the participants (as Mikelsons)
is silly (he is giving away money to shareholders) or if not
willingly engaged in is theft (rent control, price ceilings,
anti-gouging statues, usury laws, etc.).
While CEO pay may look exorbitant and makes a good sound bite,
due to the declining marginal utility of wealth it is frequently
necessary to pay what appear to be outrageous sums to attract
the services (the marginal utility curve is widely considered
to be a log function). In addition, it may be a good purchase.
For example, suppose when Jack Welch ran GE his retirement
would have caused the stock to decline by a nickel (I would
submit it would be FAR larger, but hard to isolate in a market
with lots of other noise). There are currently
over 10 BILLION shares of GE trading. $10,000,000,000 times
$.05 = $500,000,000 or $500 MILLION dollars. Anything short
of that cost is a deal for the shareholders, regardless
of how obscene it may look.
David E. Hultstrom, MBA, CFP
Richmond, VA
Richmond Times-Dispatch
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I think it is immoral for a CEO to demand a huge salary when
he continually makes budget cuts and layoffs to keep the company
afloat. A company goes into bankruptcy and all the employees
are thrown out of work while the CEO, who is responsible for
the most part, keeps his big salary, benefits, etc. and moves
to another company to repeat the same action. He should be
held responsible for his company's success or failure and
also be rewarded, or suffer with the employees he hires. It
usually is not the employee who is responsible for the failure
of the company, but the leadership. Many employees take pay
cuts, work many, many unpaid hours, and deprive themselves
of much needed vacations and other amenities, to see their
company thrive. I have experienced and observed this throughout
the years.
Geraldine Barrick
Stanton, CA
Orange County Register
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Sir,
Thank you for offering your Readers the opportunity to respond
on the above mentioned topic.When a CEO demands an extra ordinary
salary package,as it was shown in your column of last Saturday(June
5th) in the London Free Press(London,Ontario,Canada),which
shows the total of $200,000,000. IS immoral-obscene-unrealistic
and simply unbelievable.
Competent CEO's are worth an attractive salary package,but
not in high excesses.It depends on the size of the business/corporation,etc.
but under no condition should a CEO demand an unrealistic
high salary package when the Company he would lead is loosing
money.
An interesting example was Mr.Lee Iacocca,the previous CEO
of Chrysler,before it was taken over by Daimler,who would
be paid a symbolic $1.00(US) for his first at the helm of
a financially struggling Chrysler Corporation. Thanks to the
"K Cars",the financial picture of Chrysler improved,the
Company prospered and Mr.Lee was properly compensated.
There has been a considerable outcry about the overly generous
salaries of CEO's and it is to be hoped that in another two
or three years,that whole routine of CEO incomes will be much
more realistic and not the huge amounts which has been revealed
in the last decade.
Regards,
Bert Hoogendam,
Sarnia,Ontario C A N A D A .
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I have no admiration for a CEO who demands a huge salary,
especially while
his company founders, but I consider the demand to be, at
worst, amoral.
If a company is doing poorly under someone's leadership, and
that "leader"
says that he will leave without a pay increase, he is simply
being a
schoolyard bully, saying he'll take his toys and go home.
For the company
to pay more for being led into failure is not only immoral,
it is outright
stupidity. If the company is holding its own or doing well,
the decision
is whether the amount of money being requested would be more
beneficial in
the CEO's pocket or invested (or donated) elsewhere. Even
then, the
morality (or lack thereof) lies more in the response than
in the request.
Patricia
I read your column in the Richmond (VA) Times Dispaatch.
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Mr. Seglin:
Yes, there comes a point where it is just morally and ethically
wrong for CEO's to make exorbitant sums of money. Just how
much should one person make if the shareholders are held to
a relatively small dividend (in comparison to the gross and
obscene salaries being paid) and the employees are poorly
compensated (which is almost always the case). I am saddened
by the incredible greed of these CEO's. Think of how well
their employees could live and the good things that could
be done with the money if they took a reasonable salary and
the rest of it could go to the shareholders and employees.
It's not as if these are the most generous group of people
in the world.....
Gayle Spinks
Costa Mesa, CA
Orange County Register.
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