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Jeffrey
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Sound
Off
In the Sound
Off section of The Right Thing column, Jeffrey Seglin solicits reader
response to everyday ethical dilemmas: Is it OK to use sex appeal
to get ahead in the business world? Is it ever all right to encourage
a child to use force to stand up to a bully? Should Martha Stewart
be allowed to perform community service instead of jail time?
Readers send
opinions via e-mail -- some of which are featured in future Right
Thing columns. The rest are posted HERE ON The Right Thing Web site.
This popular interactive feature helps take the pulse of the nation
by allowing readers from coast to coast to weigh in with ideas about
The Right Thing to do in various situations.
Do
you have an ethical problem you need help with? Send your questions
to Jeffrey L. Seglin at rightthing@nytimes.com,
and look for the answers in upcoming columns.
See readers' opinions to these questions:
-Is
it right for local government to be able to take over someone's
property for the greater good of the community?
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Should hate symbols be banned?
- Is it right to restrict where donations can be used?
-Should
adopted children be allowed to see their birth records?
-Can
a company dictate the legal substances that it allows employees
to use, even when not at work?
- What do you think of the Barry Bonds steroid scandal?
- Should a teacher be punished for allowing sensitive material to
appear in the high-school newspaper that he or she acts as advisor
for?
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Were soldiers in Iraq right to refuse a mission they thought to
be unsafe?
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Should healthy adults give up their flu shots to the elderly and
infants?
- Is the "Escape-A-Date" service a shameful lie or a kind
letdown?
- Does
Ken Lay's criminal reputation taint the money he gifted a university?
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Should advertisers looking to depict a fantasy be responsible for
public safety?
- Is showing preferences for offspring of almumni ethical?
- Is seeking out an old flame - even if you or they are married
- acceptable?
- Has public cell-phone use gotten out of hand?
- If someone unknowingly sells an extremely valuable piece of art
for something far less than its true worth, is the new owner responsible
for partially repaying the orginial owner?
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Should Martha Stewart be allowed to carry out her sentence by doing
community service instead of jail time?
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Is plagiarizing from the Internet any different than plagiarizing
from a book?
- Do CEOs get paid too much?
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Do fast-food chains have some responsibility for customers' weight
problems?
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Is it wrong for a private social club to limit its membership to
women based on their attractiveness?
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Should a real-estate broker tell the potential buyer about a murder
that occured in a house, regardless of whether he or she was asked?
- Does an elected official have an ethical
responsibility to keep tabs on where political contributions are
coming from?
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Is it right to enact punishment before trial?
-- Is it ever all right to encourage a child to use force to stand
up to a bully?
-- Is it OK to hide behind anonymity when
voicing a complaint or criticism?
-- Is it OK to use sex appeal to get ahead
in the business world?
SOUND OFF: HOME SWEET HOME
Susette Kelo of New London, Conn., wants the U.S. Supreme Court
to rule on whether the local government has the right to take her
home by eminent domain for the greater good of the community. New
London wants to take her property along with dozens of others to
attract new investment to a blighted area, including the development
of upper-scale residences that are near where Pfizer, the pharmaceutical
company, has built its research headquarters.
While municipalities have exercised rights to buy private property
for public use in the past, one of the questions the Supreme Court
case will raise is whether it's appropriate to take private property
to develop tonier private property.
What do you think? And even if it's deemed legal for New London
to take Kelo's home for what it believes is the greater good of
the community, do you think it's right?
Send your thoughts to: rightthing(at)nytimes.com. Please include
your name, hometown and the name of the newspaper in which you read
this column. Readers' comments may appear in an upcoming column.
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HERE'S
WHAT READERS ARE SAYING:
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My name is Barbara from Middleton, WI. My newspaper is
the Wisconsin State Journal.
The entire idea that changes for the " betterment"
of the entire community are always tempting in theory.
Who doesn't want to replace blighted areas with beautiful
homes that generate taxes. The way the Federal government
has been spending money, the states and communities are
now strapped for funds. What a perfect solution. Take from
the poor, who usually are defenseless to protect their properties,
and give to the wealthy, who own the companies that want to
expand (on cheap land) and house their executives close by.
Maybe the poor and needy will just disappear when they have
no place to live and become another community's problem. This
is the solution our nation has chosen for centuries, take
from the Native Americans-take from the Spanish-Mexicans in
our southern states.
Obviously I believe this is a shameful practice and actually
illegal to take/condemn land from a private party and give
to another wealthier private party. Where have our ethics
gone if we don't question this practice? We are pandering
to the haves and punishing the have nots. For a nation who
prides its self on a high moral standards and practices, what
are we doing? This is deplorable and unexcusable. If the developers
want the property, do it the old fashion way...offer an acceptable
price on the properties in question and legally buy the land.
Don't hide behind mother government's skirts.
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I first want to point out an error in your column. The column
stated that the
case was about Connecticut wanting to exercise its eminent
domain power over a
blighted neighborhood. This is not the fact pattern in this
case. Rather, the
neighborhood was a normal middle-class neighborhood. The ethical,
and legal,
issues change depending on this categorization.
The Supreme Court has stated repeatedly that using eminent
domain over blighted
areas was fine - there would be no issue for the Court to
review if the
neighborhood was blighted. The issue, and reason the Supreme
Court granted
cert, is whether or not the government can use eminent domain
when it thinks
there is a "better" use for the land. The Supreme
Court said long ago that the
purpose of eminent domain was not to allow the state to take
land from one
person to give it to another. This is exactly what Connecticut
is doing. They
prefer to see higher-taxed uses of the land, so they condemn
perfectly fine
neighborhoods, and turn around and sell or lease the land
to developers. (In
this case, Connecticut has offered to lease some of the land
to the developers
for $1 a year.) Eminent domain was designed so the government
could use land
for the common good of all - through the building of roads,
maintenance of
navigable waters, building of transportation corridors such
as the railways,
etc. NOT so the government could say, "I can think of
a better use for your
land."
If the City of New London wins, eminent domain will have practically
no limits.
All sorts of land is being used in ways that are perhaps not
the most
economically efficient. Environmental groups that buy up forest
and other
wilderness lands to preserve them in their natural state would
have to fear the
government deciding that leasing the land to a logging company,
or building a
resort would be more economically efficient, and in the "public
welfare"
because it might help the economy. Historical groups that
are busy buying up
Civil War battlegrounds could be forced to sell the land to
the government, who
would in turn sell it to a suburban-developer - all because
urban sprawl is more
economically efficient than preserving history.
We all take the risk every time we buy land that the government
may force us to
sell it to them someday so that it can widen a road, or put
in a new canal,
etc. Most of us can be relatively sure that this is unlikely
to happen to us.
If, however, the government can exercise eminent domain anytime
it can think of
a more profitable use for the land, everyone will have to
fear that a developer
will convince the government that they can build more expensive
homes, or bigger
office buildings, or a bigger wal-mart in our neighborhoods.
Thank you,
Jennifer
Austin, Texas
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I read, with great interest, your article in the February
28, 2005 edition of The Orange County Register regarding whether
New London, Connecticut has the right to use eminent domain
to seize residential property for the greater good of the
community. The article states that, New London
wants to take her (Susette Kelos) property along with
dozens of others to attract new investment to a blighted area,
including the development of upper-scale residences near where
Pfizer, the pharmaceutical company, has built its research
headquarters.
I find this concept to be absolutely abhorrent, and an abuse
of the concept of eminent domain. In Southern California,
where I live, this has been a hotly debated issue, with cities
wanting to use eminent domain to remove houses for various
retail establishments, including a Costco, because the sales
tax revenue is far greater than that of property taxes. The
fact remains that eminent domain is intended for the greater
good of the community to build schools, new roads,
widen freeways, etc. not to fatten the citys
coffers.
Homeowners should absolutely have the right to keep their
homes. If the community is trying to please local businesses,
including Pfizer, perhaps it ought to consider offering low-interest
or zero-interest loans to the existing homeowners to make
property improvements, or spend public funds to otherwise
beautify the area. In my opinion, if the businesses didnt
like the look of the area, or the community did
not offer enough tonier private property, they
should have considered those factors when deciding where to
locate their businesses.
Cheryl Iseri
Brea, CA
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It is not "appropriate to take private property to develop
tonier private property." Not only is not "appropriate",
it's wrong. When a government of any size (community, state,
federal) is allowed to take a person's privately owned home
so that a wealthier person/corporation may live or work there, something
akin to a police state is the result. Currently, a private
owner must be compensated (however poorly) for the seizure
of his/her property to develop right of way for the
entire public good; however, the interpretation of public
good has overcome the right of the individual to the property
he has bought and paid for through time. Public good has gone
from the original intent of providing access from town
to town via rail or road to providing more shopping centers
or highrises. This is happening now. I've never been comfortable
with the entire concept of eminent domain, but my hackles
fairly leap up over this attempt to displace an individual
home owner for the benefit of another home/business owner.
This makes everyone who owns a home a temporary resident subject
to the whims of the wealthy and/or politically powerful.
Sharon Greenwood
Placentia, CA
Orange County Register
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Roy Barnes
Yorba Linda CA
Orange County Register.
No, Why should the city be able to take your private property
and give it to someone else to build another private not public
enterprise. Look up what is happening here in Yorba Linda
Ca.
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There is no way I feel that taking a person's private property
to hand over to another private corporation or individual
is the right thing. Implied economic gain or blight are the
reasons a government agency gives when using eminent domain
in these situations, despite the obvious "unblight"
of an area or the sheer stupidity of being able to forecast
the economics of a project. Additionally, if any public money
is used to acquire properties that are then turned over to
a private developer, the problem is compounded. Financial
risk should be borne by the private sector as the economy
dictates. Private property is private; that is why America
began. Taking private property for a public use, such as a
road, is an entirely different situation and just compensation
must enter the picture. If Kelo loses, every property owner
in the country is at risk and subject to the whims of government
agencies who think they have a better use or plan for the
property. So much for freedom.
Pat Nelson
Yorba Linda, CA
Orange County Register
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In Yorba Linda, California
we are facing a similar situation as New London, Connecticut.
We have people who have lived in our downtown for many years
and historical buildings that are part of identity. However,
we are now told by the City Council that these people must uproot
their lives and families so that a developer can build high
density, low income town homes.
In my opinion, a homeowner's rights are protected by our Constitution
which our government refuses to recognize and enforce.
It now appears that our Supreme Court is incapable and unwilling
to uphold our rights and freedoms. This is an outrage!
I do not believe that this is for the better of the community..rather
it is the better for the developer and the council who got 40%
of their election money from developer interests.
Nancy Rikel
Yorba Linda, CA |
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Sandy Bickel, Huntington Beach, CA, Orange County Register,
Sunday's newspaper had an excellent commentary on the loss
of freedom, called the House of Cards.
I have read the article several times. I have been following
the case for some time and I can't improve on this article
addressing the issue of Private Property rights.
It is an excellent article. I would like you
to read it and see if you feel as Steven Greenhut and I do.
Thank you for your articles, I look forward to reading them
each Sunday.
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Personal property
is the cornerstone of the American dream and capitalism. By
giving the government the right to take personal property and
give it to other individuals or corporations, you are opening
a can of worms for abuse. Whats next? The government taking
your other personal property to give to other individuals under
the premise it is good for the community. Last I looked, we
are not communists. Let the market set the best use of property.
If they want to build on my property, there is always a price.
Ignacio Sanchez,
Santa Ana Ca |
We can identify with Susette Kelo here
in Yorba Linda, CA. Our City Council, who got 40% of their campaign
funds from developer interests, now wants to rip our historical
downtown apart. The taxpayer will get to pay for this multi-million
dollar developer deal over the next 30 years. And, for
the families who have lived in their homes for many years..they
will be forced to move somewhere else. This inconvenience is
called called Eminent Domain.
We left England for reasons such as this and our constitution
guarantees certain freedoms. The government should not and does
not have the right to take property away from us. All of this,
for a developer.
What an travesty!
Vic Damon
Yorba Linda, CA |
Jim Horton
Yorba Linda, CA
Orange County Register
We are having a similar issue in our town. The city is threatening
business and home owners with eminent domain so the city
can buy the properties and sell them to a developer
who will build new housing and retail space. Eminent
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The problem with the greater
good is just who is the deciding party. Im sure
you wont find lesser tax revenues anywhere in the definition
of blight in the dictionary. Its the broad brush that
this is being painted with that is wrong. To be able to take
property merely to get more money from the next owner in taxes
and revenues should not be legal. Nor do I think it was ever
intended by the original authors of eminent domain
laws. It seems all laws get treated the same as some want to
treat the Constitution, as a living document. We
go back to many laws over the years and reinterpret
them to read the way we want them to now whether there was ever
a precedent or not.
John P Lotz
Yorba Linda, Ca |
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Dear Jeffrey,
As a Plans Analyst/Fire Inspector for a small City here in
Orange
County, CA, I see the need for eminent domain. Sadly, some
of the
depressed areas in a City are due to outside influences, IE:
investors
and absent landlords, bad economic times for the property
owners, etc.,
but sadly, most people in some of these areas don't provide
the most
basic and necessary maintenance on their property. It can
cause major
blight, and usually, the area attracts a criminal element,
which can
cause further decline. It takes it's tole on the whole community,
who
have to pay more taxes for more police and fire services,
who spend a
signifigant amount of their time in these areas. These services
in
areas like this are usually not paid for by the people who
would use
them most. Also, business do not want to operate in these
communities
because of the high crime, which also causes a downward economic
spiral,
because the community loses out on the taxes that come into
it to pay
for the services for them. A classic example is the downtown
area of Los
Angeles, which has made a major turnaround from gang-ridden
slums and an
economic downturn to building the Staples Center and new high
rise
condos and office buildings.
A lot of Cities usually try to internally promote the upturn
of these
areas by offering low/no interest loans for the homeowners
to do the
necessary repairs and maintenance, but sometimes the community
isn't
interested (again, if it has a high landlord/renter population,
they
don't always see the need). The Cities in turn will try a
strong
enforcement stance, which incurs a lot of complaints. If the
City has
limited resources for dealing with these issues, and there
are a lot
more economically viable options available to the City, then
they
usually take that second option, eminent domain.
I understand Ms. Kelo's plight, and she may be one of the
few who has
maintained her home. However, most Cities cannot afford NOT
to take
eminent domain. It would mean their demise.
Sincerely,
Susan Waidelich
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The idea that a city or town can appropriate the home of
a citizen for a
development benefiting primarily richer persons is REPULSIVE.
I saw on
TV a particular Midwestern town where a whole middle class
neighborhood
was to be demolished to build condos for the "upscale"
rich people.
Several of the homeowners wanted to stay and in that case
should be
allowed to do so. It is possible that such developments could
benefit a
location but there should be a solution acceptable to everyone;
other
than going to court every time.
I suggest that municipalities start planning so that there
can be a
10-15-20 year advance notice to such possible neighborhoods.
Presumably
some sort of zoning law would alert people to the possibility
of the
neighborhood being demolished at some point in the future.
At the very
least there should be an election of municipal officials between
the time
such an appropriation is proposed and the time it is approved.
In the
case of the town I saw on TV that would solve the problem
because the
current Mayor and Town Council would be thrown out and the
middle class
neighborhood saved. As it is the mayor and council will retire
before
the next election with whatever gains the developers offered
them.
Bryan Gresham
Henrico County
Richmond Times-Dispatch
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There is no way I feel that taking a person's private property
to hand over to another private corporation or individual
is the right thing. Implied economic gain or blight are the
reasons a government agency gives when using eminent domain
in these situations, despite the obvious "unblight"
of an area or the sheer stupidity of being able to forecast
the economics of a project. Additionally, if any public money
is used to acquire properties that are then turned over to
a private developer, the problem is compounded. Financial
risk should be borne by the private sector as the economy
dictates. Private property is private; that is why America
began. Taking private property for a public use, such as a
road, is an entirely different situation and just compensation
must enter the picture. If Kelo loses, every property owner
in the country is at risk and subject to the whims of government
agencies who think they have a better use or plan for the
property. So much for freedom.
Pat Nelson
Yorba Linda, CA
Orange County Register
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The case of Susette Kelo is a nightmare about to happen.
She is not the first nor the last to have her property 'stolen'
LEGALLY! Your question was "Is it legal?" Unfortunately,
our court system, including the Supreme Court, has made unjust,
immoral, shamelful actions legal to the point that our American
way of life is seriously threatened. Thus, almost anything
that the power that are currently calling the shots want to
be, can and will be 'legal'. Is the seizure of Ms Kelo's property
right -- hell no. Can it be stopped -- hell no.
Eminent domain and Redevelopment Agencies are two of the most
abused concepts by local politicos to engineer 'legal' robberies
to increase the tax take of their domain. As a developer I
must select a parcel of land/property that I believe can be
razed and then refurbished to produce a more productive environment.
In other words -- I got an idea that will make me money. First
I must convince the current owners that they should sell --
all of them. The prices for their properties will be negotiated
between them and me/my company. Further I must convince all
of the current owners in the parcel I desire. But this is
the easy part.
Next (preliminary plans were of course given to the right
people first) I must convince the local politicos that
I have a great idea, that it wll increase their tax intake,
that it wll improve the area's image, that it will be environmentaly
friendly, and that I have the finances to accomplishe the
proposed task. Of course up front I wll spend a rather large
sum of money in drawing plans, archectural rendings, school
impact reports, utility plans etc., etc., ect.. If all goes
well I should be able to complete the project in about
five years.
If I'm part of the local politico the task is much easier. Our
first step is to wine and dine a 'big box store' or a series
of big box stores such as auto dealerships. After "we"
have decided on a target location we will 'legally' inform
the current owners that we want their property because we
have a better use for it than they do -- it's for the greater
common good. AND, there are no exceptions. Magically, we,
the politicos and the local courts decide what the properties
are worth and shove the price down their throats. Oh sure
some will object but we have an endless staff of attorneys.
We convince the little peons very quickly that by the time
they are finished paying their court costs and lawyer fees
they will wind up with much less than what we are offering.
Is this just, right, fair, moral --HELL NO!!!!!!! Is it legal
-- probably!
Larry Hogan
Anaheim Hills California
Orange County Register
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I read your column
in The Orange County Register on Monday February 28, 2005, wherein
you had a little snipet about Susette Kelo. I am responding
to your requests for comments.
I have been intermittently following this story, and others
like it that have been occurring in California. I live in Yorba
Linda, California, and right now the City of Yorba Linda wants
to do something similar to "redevelop" the Olde Town
Yorba Linda area. I have not seen all of the plans for this
redevelopement, but I do not recall that there were plans for
the City Hall to move into "downtown" and have all
of the government functions taking place there. So, it is merely
taking from the established businesses and homeowners and giving
the land to other businesses and homeowners, who did not buy
there in the first place, but now want it on the cheap.
I had to go read the US Constitution this morning, and the 5th
amendment says that " . . . nor be deprived of life, liberty,
or property, without due process of law, nor shall private property
be taken for public use, without just compensation." Well
quite frankly, I do not see how taking my house and giving it
to Costco is for "public use" of any kind.
If any city wanted to make sure that they were getting more
money from a property tax base, then they should never zoned
the property residential in the first place.
I also do not buy into the blight argument. It is unfortunate
that there are areas of land, that are owned by people who cannot
afford to make their property look like the Taj Mahal. If the
city does not like it, then they should go in and clean it up
using code enforcement, not clean the owners out using condemnation
to give it to Costco.
Most areas become "blighted" right under the city's
nose, and if they proactively prevented it, the area would not
become blighted.
Of course, the city will claim that they do not have enough
money to do that proactive blight prevention. Perhaps if they
would not invest in junk bonds.
As to just compensation, there is probably no amount of money
that the city of New London, would want to pay Susette Kelo
that would allow her to live in the same house, in a same like
area. The city of New London is probably severely low-balling
the price, so that they can make a profit when the sell it to
the developer.
It should not be a municipality's responsibility to get private
property for developers at a cheap price. Nor should it be the
county's, state's or federal goverment's responsibilty to get
developers land that they do not want to pay the asking price.
If I owned the last piece of the developer's pie, it would not
make sound business sense to me to sell it for a discount. The
developer could have bought the land before I did, but they
did not, and now they should have to pay my price, not get the
goverment to force me out.
Moreover, the purported public benefit does not pass muster.
The only people who will benefit from these upper-scale residences
and and upper scale shopping are the rich. The remainer of the
population will still be shopping at Wal-Mart and eating at
McDonalds. Thus, the city of New London has failed in its duty
to abide by the law by taking from the poor and giving to the
rich. Quite the opposite of Robin Hood, all of these governmental
entities should be known as "Robbing Hoods."
Unfortunately, it does not appear from the comments that the
US Supreme Court grasps the failures in these cases. Yes, it
is their job to look at these condemnation decisions and determine
if they were done in compliance with the 5th amendment. It may
not make their justice lives easy or it may create more work
for them, but hey, that is what they are paid to do. At any
time, when the justice job becomes too much of a burden for
them, they can go out the front door. Perhaps its time for all
of them to go, if they cannot do their jobs.
In closing, if the US Supreme Court finds in favor of New London,
Sandy and Ruth should watch out because their homes might be
on Costco's lists of property to develop and there would be
no way to stop it.
Mary Jean |
Jeffrey Seglin:
Regarding your question about usurping private property under
the eminent domain concept, I understand there is an increasing
abuse in which a government agency exercises its domain powers
in a roundabout process to avail it to private interests that
promise greater tax revenues to the government.
I deem this to be a blatant perversion of the power of eminent
domain, tantamount to unconstitutional confiscation of private
property. It is my perception that the law of eminent domain
exists only as a mechanism to facilitate urgently needed government-owned
and maintained projects essential to the general welfare, NEITHER
for the benefit of other private interests NOR for potential
tax benefits to the imposing government agency.
It would seem obvious to me that any court in the land should
negate any such misguided attempt at confiscation out of hand.
Whats happening to our time-honored respect for private
property?
R. H. Coddington
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