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Jeffrey
L. Seglin
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Sound
Off
In the Sound
Off section of The Right Thing column, Jeffrey Seglin solicits reader
response to everyday ethical dilemmas: Is it OK to use sex appeal
to get ahead in the business world? Is it ever all right to encourage
a child to use force to stand up to a bully? Is it right to enact
punishment before trial?
Readers send
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Thing columns. The rest are posted HERE ON The Right Thing Web site.
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The Right Thing to do in various situations.
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See readers' opinions to these recent questions:
Is
it right to enact punishment before trial?
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it ever all right to encourage a child to use force to stand up
to a bully?
Is it OK to hide behind anonymity when
voicing a complaint or criticism?
Is it OK to use sex appeal to get ahead
in the business world?
SOUND
OFF: GET OUT OF TOWN
In early March, three people were arrested for selling marijuana
(worth $160) from their home in Peachtree City, a town just south
of Atlanta. The county judge imposed a rather unusual condition
for bond: He "banished" them from the city and the house
they rented there. "In
Georgia, creative sentencing isn't all that unusual," reporter
Rochelle Carter wrote in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
But
at the time of the banishment, the accused hadn't even stood trial.
Jack Martin, an Atlanta criminal defense attorney, said "It
would create an unusual hardship ... to deny them a right to live
in their own residence."
What
do you think? Is it right to exact punishment before trial? If you
were in the judge's spot, what would you have done?
Send
your thoughts to me at rightthing (at) nytimes.com. (Please include
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Send your reponse via e-mail to rightthing@nytimes.com.
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HERE'S
WHAT READERS ARE SAYING:
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Absolutely
not. It violates the principle of innocent until proven
guilty, which, if not actually in the law, is certainly
the American Way. I am deeply offended that the question
even arises.
Furthermore, I'd like to address the unusual condition for
bond: Banishment from the location where the alleged offence
occurred and will be tried makes it harder for the accused
to appear. That is called
setting them up to fail. It is not the business of
the court to set defendents up to fail to appear.
I'm not a lawyer but it is my understanding that bond is
or is not granted based on flight risk. If the accused
is considered a flight risk, bond is not granted.
Conditions for bond should reflect flight risk and seek
to minimize it. As a condition for bond, banishment
is counterproductive. In my opinion, banishment encourages
flight because it puts the accused on the first leg of the
journey. Again, it is not
the business of the court to set defendents up to fail to
appear.
My $ .02,
Judith M. Shelton
Duluth, Georgia
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Evidently this Georgia judge needs to study the U.S. Constitution.
The Eighth Amendment to the Bill of Rights states: Excessive
bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor
cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. The purpose of bail
is to reasonably assure that the defendant will show up for
trial, and not attempt to flee the jurisdiction. Even in cases
where a defendeant has access to vast resources with which
to flee, bail is still set, and often the person's passport
is surrendered to the court. This judge has turned, innocent
until proven guilty on its head.
Though it may have taken two-hundred years, and the bloody
Civil War, the Bill of Rights applies even in Georgia. It
can be argued that to banish someone from their home and community,
prior to trial, constitutes an excessive fine and perhaps
a cruel and unusual punishment.
Peace,
Mary Laurent
Orange County Register
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To:
Jeffrey L. Seglin
I believe the county judge who imposed the pretrial banishment
should be removed from office as too ignorant to sit in
judgment of other humans.
Presumably, said judge went to law school once upon a time.
And, no matter how much he would like to whack those dopers
but good, he should well know, as any law student must learn,
that the Red Queen's method of imposing punishment before
the conviction does not wash in the American
legal system. Ever. Not even in Georgia.
People merely ACCUSED of crimes are PRESUMED INNOCENT until
PROVEN GUILTY beyond a reasonable doubt. That is as
basic as any law student can get it. Obviously, the
Ga. judge in question has been on the bench too long and
has come to believe that the basic rules of criminal procedure
don't necessarily apply in HIS court. I am sure, however,
you will hear much from bigoted ignoramuses who say it is
just fine he gave those potheads what they deserved.
I think community banishment is not a permissible punishment
even POST-conviction, short of punitive confinement.
I have no doubt, however, that the judge in question "blackmailed"
the accused to leave
town or enjoy no pretrial release at all. High-handed
judges have a lot of power to abuse. You should have
published his name.
His Honorable Arrogance needs a permanent "vacation"
off the bench. Perhaps he should return to law school for
a refresher course in criminal
procedure. Or take up working for Al Qaida.
H. Watkins Ellerson
per Richmond (Va.) Times-Dispatch 4/4/04
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Imposing
an unusual condition for a bond: GET OUT OF TOWN.
Why not? Also favor creative sentencing.
Particularly like the Arizona Sheriff who provides pink underwear
and houses inmates in tents on the desert. Paraphrasing,
his motto: "If you do the crime, you will do the
time!" ... And, that's the way is should
be.
Richard Kruger
Fullerton, California
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Dear Jeffrey,
No, it is not right to punish before trial. Innocent
until proven guilty is a tenet of our legal ethos. However
the banishment was not a sentence. It was a bond.
The real question is "Was the bond excessive?"
I believe it was.
Regarding your comments about the fellow who was uncomfortable
being involved with the state senator, I was hoping that you
would have quoted Winston Churchill, "If Hitler invaded
Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the Devil
in the House of Commons."
Michael Kalm, M.D.
Salt Lake City
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The judge
in Atlanta is way out of line. These people were accused,
not convicted. Even though the article says that judges
in Georgia are known for creative sentencing--the accused
cannot be sentenced: they haven't even been tried.
Moreover, the charge in this case shows that they were not
a threat: they sold marijuana--presumably to willing buyers,
and the amount in question--$160 worth--is minuscule.
The nature of the crime that these people have been charged
with does not suggest that they present an
immediate threat to the community. They should not have
to leave. This sounds like what I would call a case
of "Reefer Madness": sometimes I think marijuana
does make people go crazy--in this case, the judge.
(Read the article in Utah Online: the Salt Lake Tribune.)
Stephen
Satris
Clemson University
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